First off. I am not a big fan of the IE software. Personally would prefer Chrome myself due to it feeling a lot more fluid / smoother, but hey, that's my opinion. So when IE9 beta first entered the public release phase, I thought I'd give the IE browser another go, after about 2 years of abandonment.
...Not bad, said I...
Until I tried switching the GPU over with IE9 running (while minimized). BSOD. This was reported here as well, however I was unable to re-find that thread (hence reluctantly starting this here).
Anyways, I assumed the issue was due to the beta stage of the development, so I ditched IE9 and returned to Chrome, at least until the browser got a full, proper release.
Just checked, and the release date is slated for tomorrow, the 14th of March (it's just hit 13th of March where I live).
I own a VGN-Z26, a lappie with hybrid graphics. Curious as to whether any hybrid graphics owners here (preferabbly the VGN-Z and VPC-Z, though other hybrid-using models welcome) are willing to give MS and IE9 another shot, and whether current RC users have had BSOD on their machines, notably when they were switching the GPUs over? Or are most individuals here die-hard Mozilla / Opera / Chrome fans...?
Granted, you technically shouldn't be switching graphics with minimized / running software but hey, Chrome doesn't complain (nor does IE8 for that matter).
Reply 1 : Internet Explorer 9 - Hybrid lappie owners
Chrome and IE8 don't complain when you switch graphics because neither is using the graphics card for hardware acceleration.
I've been testing the IE9 RC and don't get blue screens when I switch graphics. However, it does cause IE to glitch and lock up and I've had to crash out of it.
It would be nice to think that Sony will provide a driver update that offers better compatibility with modern browsers but I doubt that is likely to happen
I've been testing the IE9 RC and don't get blue screens when I switch graphics. However, it does cause IE to glitch and lock up and I've had to crash out of it.
It would be nice to think that Sony will provide a driver update that offers better compatibility with modern browsers but I doubt that is likely to happen
Reply 2 : Internet Explorer 9 - Hybrid lappie owners
Uhm my guess is that this is an microsoft / windows problem not an nvidia (or whatever) switchable graphics problem. The browser can't handle the sudden change of graphics card.
Reply 3 : Internet Explorer 9 - Hybrid lappie owners
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Originally Posted by 5ushiMonster 
As the title suggests.
First off. I am not a big fan of the IE software. Personally would prefer Chrome myself due to it feeling a lot more fluid / smoother, but hey, that's my opinion. So when IE9 beta first entered the public release phase, I thought I'd give the IE browser another go, after about 2 years of abandonment. ...Not bad, said I... Until I tried switching the GPU over with IE9 running (while minimized). BSOD. This was reported here as well, however I was unable to re-find that thread (hence reluctantly starting this here). Anyways, I assumed the issue was due to the beta stage of the development, so I ditched IE9 and returned to Chrome, at least until the browser got a full, proper release. Just checked, and the release date is slated for tomorrow, the 14th of March (it's just hit 13th of March where I live). I own a VGN-Z26, a lappie with hybrid graphics. Curious as to whether any hybrid graphics owners here (preferabbly the VGN-Z and VPC-Z, though other hybrid-using models welcome) are willing to give MS and IE9 another shot, and whether current RC users have had BSOD on their machines, notably when they were switching the GPUs over? Or are most individuals here die-hard Mozilla / Opera / Chrome fans...? Granted, you technically shouldn't be switching graphics with minimized / running software but hey, Chrome doesn't complain (nor does IE8 for that matter). |
I am using 263.14 2266 and i don't have this problem.
edit:
but i can tell you that i don't have any acceleration with intel, it is like software simulation for intel hd side.
But if you wanted to try intel hardware acceleration as well, try searching
"Force Enable GPU Hardware Acceleration Graphics Rendering on Old GPU in IE9" at google.
Reply 4 : Internet Explorer 9 - Hybrid lappie owners
Cheers for the replies guys; greatly appreciated.
I am currently running Sony's GPU drivers, so don't really have that one extra process in the Task Manager. But it is indeed curious; nvidia and/or Microsoft then know about software instability with hybrid machines... That tells me those who ain't confident with drivers not from Sony will be left out in the cold. Unless Sony releases an update (though fat chance of that ever happening...).
As for why I'm using Sony's drivers... I have opted for Nautis's drivers a few times in the past, numerous versions, however had temperature issues. Idles around a good 75-80'C mark in SPEED whereas the stock drivers do so around 60'C in said mode. Though that could be an issue on my part as I haven't clean-installed my OS in over a year. Don't really have the time to re-set everything after clean-installs...
Anyways, indeed. I do remember MS touting hardware acceleration as IE9's stronger points. That would explain it being rather dependent on the nvidia hardware when it starts up. And would explain the crashes when the switch was flicked; the nvidia card is either turned on or off hence the browser falls into a bit of a dilemma...
I am currently running Sony's GPU drivers, so don't really have that one extra process in the Task Manager. But it is indeed curious; nvidia and/or Microsoft then know about software instability with hybrid machines... That tells me those who ain't confident with drivers not from Sony will be left out in the cold. Unless Sony releases an update (though fat chance of that ever happening...).
As for why I'm using Sony's drivers... I have opted for Nautis's drivers a few times in the past, numerous versions, however had temperature issues. Idles around a good 75-80'C mark in SPEED whereas the stock drivers do so around 60'C in said mode. Though that could be an issue on my part as I haven't clean-installed my OS in over a year. Don't really have the time to re-set everything after clean-installs...
Anyways, indeed. I do remember MS touting hardware acceleration as IE9's stronger points. That would explain it being rather dependent on the nvidia hardware when it starts up. And would explain the crashes when the switch was flicked; the nvidia card is either turned on or off hence the browser falls into a bit of a dilemma...
Reply 5 : Internet Explorer 9 - Hybrid lappie owners
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Originally Posted by 5ushiMonster
Cheers for the replies guys; greatly appreciated.
I am currently running Sony's GPU drivers, so don't really have that one extra process in the Task Manager. But it is indeed curious; nvidia and/or Microsoft then know about software instability with hybrid machines... That tells me those who ain't confident with drivers not from Sony will be left out in the cold. Unless Sony releases an update (though fat chance of that ever happening...). As for why I'm using Sony's drivers... I have opted for Nautis's drivers a few times in the past, numerous versions, however had temperature issues. Idles around a good 75-80'C mark in SPEED whereas the stock drivers do so around 60'C in said mode. Though that could be an issue on my part as I haven't clean-installed my OS in over a year. Don't really have the time to re-set everything after clean-installs... Anyways, indeed. I do remember MS touting hardware acceleration as IE9's stronger points. That would explain it being rather dependent on the nvidia hardware when it starts up. And would explain the crashes when the switch was flicked; the nvidia card is either turned on or off hence the browser falls into a bit of a dilemma... |
Reply 6 : Internet Explorer 9 - Hybrid lappie owners
The full, final version (9.0.8112.16421 RTM) has been released and I have since installed.
Opinions, though quite mixed... The goods first:
- Smooth. The overall feeling is a lot more fluid, zippier, and less stuttering. Tested on a webpage where the vertical scroll bar quite essentially turns microscopic. Where IE8 failed on EPIC proportions, IE9 mows through such pages without a hitch in performance.
- The font type has been changed. Checking the SETTINGS page my IE9 says KOREAN scripting and has chosen a Korean-named font. My VGN-Z's locale setting is set to Korea in case it's relevent. That said, the majority of sites I view are in English and the font is indeed different. A subtle change, but a welcome one nonetheless. Looks like Calibri but could be Tahoma (or could be text-edge-smoothing, if memory serves correct, called Clear-Text).
- Before I ditched IE8 a few years back, I had the settings set as I see fit. Some settings were NOT migrated, but most were (notably the 'disable-google-analytics' in the EXTENTIONS manager). Yeah yeah, I installed a similar plug-in for Chrome.
- Click-and-snap TABS. It actually resembles and performs like Chrome does. For me considering coming back from Chrome, it's an extra.
- Search via the URL field; ABOUT BLOODY TIME MICROSOFT.........
Negatives:
-Seems the BSOD issue has been addressed / fixed (from SPEED to STAMINA with IE9 running). But switching from STAMINA to SPEED required me to restart the IE to take advantage of the suddenly added 'hardware'; it would continue using the Intel graphics without doing so (ie, no hardware acceleration as mentioned by Andrew08). I guess that's normal so this borders a negative + positive opinion...
- IE9 is EXTREMELY reliant on hardware. I am viewing the fish-tank for the IE9 (on the official page Beauty of the Web). My nVidia 9300GMS peaks at around 93'C in regards to temps, and memory usage is a HUGE 220MB for 300 fish. Not to mention the fan now sounds like a vacuum cleaner in regards to loudness... And everything that is NOT IE9 is rather laggy; it is rather demanding on the hardware as it is touted as I guess. It would not do well multitasking when you're watching a higher-res Youtube video, for example; hardware will take preference for IE9 over whatever else.
- In conjunction with above, RAM usage. It's extremely dynamic and IE9 with the 300 fish consumes a good 200MB. However, with normal / idle browsing it's less at around 60MB (IE8 was around 110MB at idle).
- I thought the new download page was a little too fiddly, with a completely seperate window. I would have preferred it to be a in-the-window TAB like Chrome. But that said, CTRL+J brings up the download window like it does on Chrome, so I most certainly welcome that wee similarity.
With the VGN-Z set to STAMINA, with 300 fish I'm getting 11fps. With SPEED mode I see around 25fps. And with the Intel, since it is the CPU doing the work, the CPU temps peak at around 70'C (CPU0 at 65'C and CPU1 at 75'C). It's lower than the nVidia but with how the BIOS-level thermal strategy is set up on the VGN-Z in regards to fan speeds, the sound difference between the nVidia and Intel graphics is neglible...
Now, the ULTIMATE question. Would I ditch Chrome for this?
My opinion (READ: MY OPINION) - Maybe, inclined towards Chrome. Chrome is alot more fluid than IE9. I just don't know how else to describe it. IE9 feels more like Opera in regards to fluidity, but without the RAM consumage and bloat that Opera has become over the past few years. I've got 8GB of RAM, yes. But I find Chrome better uses that to its full potential (and yes, I only use IE x64 except when I feel like some youtube, since x64 Flash is yet to be released). But IE9 is a huge improvement. For everyday browsing, apart from the slight learning curve of the GUI (or the lack thereof for average-Joe users), it will fit the bill perfect.
Sum-up.
Microsoft has done an excellent job getting IE9 upto where it is today. It is indeed a world of difference compared to IE8. But with the race against the competition, one could say IE9 only allows Microsoft to finally see the leader's tail. Doesn't catch up to them / it, well, at least not yet...
Opinions, though quite mixed... The goods first:
- Smooth. The overall feeling is a lot more fluid, zippier, and less stuttering. Tested on a webpage where the vertical scroll bar quite essentially turns microscopic. Where IE8 failed on EPIC proportions, IE9 mows through such pages without a hitch in performance.
- The font type has been changed. Checking the SETTINGS page my IE9 says KOREAN scripting and has chosen a Korean-named font. My VGN-Z's locale setting is set to Korea in case it's relevent. That said, the majority of sites I view are in English and the font is indeed different. A subtle change, but a welcome one nonetheless. Looks like Calibri but could be Tahoma (or could be text-edge-smoothing, if memory serves correct, called Clear-Text).
- Before I ditched IE8 a few years back, I had the settings set as I see fit. Some settings were NOT migrated, but most were (notably the 'disable-google-analytics' in the EXTENTIONS manager). Yeah yeah, I installed a similar plug-in for Chrome.
- Click-and-snap TABS. It actually resembles and performs like Chrome does. For me considering coming back from Chrome, it's an extra.
- Search via the URL field; ABOUT BLOODY TIME MICROSOFT.........
Negatives:
-Seems the BSOD issue has been addressed / fixed (from SPEED to STAMINA with IE9 running). But switching from STAMINA to SPEED required me to restart the IE to take advantage of the suddenly added 'hardware'; it would continue using the Intel graphics without doing so (ie, no hardware acceleration as mentioned by Andrew08). I guess that's normal so this borders a negative + positive opinion...
- IE9 is EXTREMELY reliant on hardware. I am viewing the fish-tank for the IE9 (on the official page Beauty of the Web). My nVidia 9300GMS peaks at around 93'C in regards to temps, and memory usage is a HUGE 220MB for 300 fish. Not to mention the fan now sounds like a vacuum cleaner in regards to loudness... And everything that is NOT IE9 is rather laggy; it is rather demanding on the hardware as it is touted as I guess. It would not do well multitasking when you're watching a higher-res Youtube video, for example; hardware will take preference for IE9 over whatever else.
- In conjunction with above, RAM usage. It's extremely dynamic and IE9 with the 300 fish consumes a good 200MB. However, with normal / idle browsing it's less at around 60MB (IE8 was around 110MB at idle).
- I thought the new download page was a little too fiddly, with a completely seperate window. I would have preferred it to be a in-the-window TAB like Chrome. But that said, CTRL+J brings up the download window like it does on Chrome, so I most certainly welcome that wee similarity.
With the VGN-Z set to STAMINA, with 300 fish I'm getting 11fps. With SPEED mode I see around 25fps. And with the Intel, since it is the CPU doing the work, the CPU temps peak at around 70'C (CPU0 at 65'C and CPU1 at 75'C). It's lower than the nVidia but with how the BIOS-level thermal strategy is set up on the VGN-Z in regards to fan speeds, the sound difference between the nVidia and Intel graphics is neglible...
Now, the ULTIMATE question. Would I ditch Chrome for this?
My opinion (READ: MY OPINION) - Maybe, inclined towards Chrome. Chrome is alot more fluid than IE9. I just don't know how else to describe it. IE9 feels more like Opera in regards to fluidity, but without the RAM consumage and bloat that Opera has become over the past few years. I've got 8GB of RAM, yes. But I find Chrome better uses that to its full potential (and yes, I only use IE x64 except when I feel like some youtube, since x64 Flash is yet to be released). But IE9 is a huge improvement. For everyday browsing, apart from the slight learning curve of the GUI (or the lack thereof for average-Joe users), it will fit the bill perfect.
Sum-up.
Microsoft has done an excellent job getting IE9 upto where it is today. It is indeed a world of difference compared to IE8. But with the race against the competition, one could say IE9 only allows Microsoft to finally see the leader's tail. Doesn't catch up to them / it, well, at least not yet...
Reply 7 : Internet Explorer 9 - Hybrid lappie owners
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Originally Posted by 5ushiMonster
The full, final version (9.0.8112.16421 RTM) has been released and I have since installed.
Opinions, though quite mixed... The goods first: - Smooth. The overall feeling is a lot more fluid, zippier, and less stuttering. Tested on a webpage where the vertical scroll bar quite essentially turns microscopic. Where IE8 failed on EPIC proportions, IE9 mows through such pages without a hitch in performance. - The font type has been changed. Checking the SETTINGS page my IE9 says KOREAN scripting and has chosen a Korean-named font. My VGN-Z's locale setting is set to Korea in case it's relevent. That said, the majority of sites I view are in English and the font is indeed different. A subtle change, but a welcome one nonetheless. Looks like Calibri but could be Tahoma (or could be text-edge-smoothing, if memory serves correct, called Clear-Text). - Before I ditched IE8 a few years back, I had the settings set as I see fit. Some settings were NOT migrated, but most were (notably the 'disable-google-analytics' in the EXTENTIONS manager). Yeah yeah, I installed a similar plug-in for Chrome. - Click-and-snap TABS. It actually resembles and performs like Chrome does. For me considering coming back from Chrome, it's an extra. - Search via the URL field; ABOUT BLOODY TIME MICROSOFT......... Negatives: -Seems the BSOD issue has been addressed / fixed (from SPEED to STAMINA with IE9 running). But switching from STAMINA to SPEED required me to restart the IE to take advantage of the suddenly added 'hardware'; it would continue using the Intel graphics without doing so (ie, no hardware acceleration as mentioned by Andrew08). I guess that's normal so this borders a negative + positive opinion... - IE9 is EXTREMELY reliant on hardware. I am viewing the fish-tank for the IE9 (on the official page Beauty of the Web). My nVidia 9300GMS peaks at around 93'C in regards to temps, and memory usage is a HUGE 220MB for 300 fish. Not to mention the fan now sounds like a vacuum cleaner in regards to loudness... And everything that is NOT IE9 is rather laggy; it is rather demanding on the hardware as it is touted as I guess. It would not do well multitasking when you're watching a higher-res Youtube video, for example; hardware will take preference for IE9 over whatever else. - In conjunction with above, RAM usage. It's extremely dynamic and IE9 with the 300 fish consumes a good 200MB. However, with normal / idle browsing it's less at around 60MB (IE8 was around 110MB at idle). - I thought the new download page was a little too fiddly, with a completely seperate window. I would have preferred it to be a in-the-window TAB like Chrome. But that said, CTRL+J brings up the download window like it does on Chrome, so I most certainly welcome that wee similarity. With the VGN-Z set to STAMINA, with 300 fish I'm getting 11fps. With SPEED mode I see around 25fps. And with the Intel, since it is the CPU doing the work, the CPU temps peak at around 70'C (CPU0 at 65'C and CPU1 at 75'C). It's lower than the nVidia but with how the BIOS-level thermal strategy is set up on the VGN-Z in regards to fan speeds, the sound difference between the nVidia and Intel graphics is neglible... Now, the ULTIMATE question. Would I ditch Chrome for this? My opinion (READ: MY OPINION) - Maybe, inclined towards Chrome. Chrome is alot more fluid than IE9. I just don't know how else to describe it. IE9 feels more like Opera in regards to fluidity, but without the RAM consumage and bloat that Opera has become over the past few years. I've got 8GB of RAM, yes. But I find Chrome better uses that to its full potential (and yes, I only use IE x64 except when I feel like some youtube, since x64 Flash is yet to be released). But IE9 is a huge improvement. For everyday browsing, apart from the slight learning curve of the GUI (or the lack thereof for average-Joe users), it will fit the bill perfect. Sum-up. Microsoft has done an excellent job getting IE9 upto where it is today. It is indeed a world of difference compared to IE8. But with the race against the competition, one could say IE9 only allows Microsoft to finally see the leader's tail. Doesn't catch up to them / it, well, at least not yet... |
I will stay with it for the time being !
Reply 8 : Internet Explorer 9 - Hybrid lappie owners
I'm a long time Firefox user and although IE9 loads faster, etc. I MUST have my add-ons in Firefox... which leads me to my next point, if this browser was IE8 or IE7... MS would have crushed chrome and slowed down Firefox's growth... I guess better late than never?
Reply 9 : Internet Explorer 9 - Hybrid lappie owners
It's in every Windows users interests to upgrade to 9, even if you don't intend on using it! Do you really want IE8 sitting dormant on your machine? *shudders*
As an I.T professional, I use all browsers because I need to. IE9 is very, very nice. It's quite close to Chrome & Firefox 4 (RC) in many areas, but the development of Chrome and Firefox should see those browsers pull away from IE9 (you could argue Chrome was so far ahead of the rest anyway...).
As an I.T professional, I use all browsers because I need to. IE9 is very, very nice. It's quite close to Chrome & Firefox 4 (RC) in many areas, but the development of Chrome and Firefox should see those browsers pull away from IE9 (you could argue Chrome was so far ahead of the rest anyway...).
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